Truth and Reconciliation Commission
Grenada
Report on certain political events
which occurred in Grenada 1976-1991

VOLUME ONE

PART 6

Section 1:

TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE OF WITNESSES

WITNESS SEVEN

WITNESS SEVEN from Gouyave, St. John's, appeared before the Commission on February 5th, 2002. She came to the Commission on behalf of her husband who disappeared without a trace, on March 9th to 10th, 1981.

On the morning of 9th to 10th March, 1981, around 6:00 a.m. someone came to my mother's house and said that they found my husband's car in White Gate on the side of the sea. My mother's house is in Gouyave. My husband and I went up to Gouyave on the Monday afternoon about 12:00 noon. While we were there, he left to come to St. George's around 4:00 p.m. I reached him as far as (xxx) by the police station and I went back home, and he went down the road. He stopped by a house that he was building, and apparently he stayed with the guys around there playing dominoes . . . I heard it was about 10:00 p.m. when he left to go to St. George's.

On his way to St. George's, I heard he was stopped by one (xxx). He was one of the Prime Minister's bodyguards. He was taken to Pope Paul's Camp, which is today known as NEWLO. I learnt that there he was killed and his body was put into a fridge. I went down the morning to Pope Paul's Camp, and they said that we could not enter the building, so I went down to the accident site. They were trying to push the car on a higher bank. They were trying to push it up the higher bank and you could have seen the impression. It couldn't go up the higher bank, so they drove it to the lower bank and put it down, but it was locked and everything in it was missing, and his body was not there.

[Witness continued]

I went to the Grand Roy police station and they said they heard about the accident. I asked if they found my husband's body, they said "No". I asked them what has been done, they said, "Nothing". I went to the St. George's police station and they said they heard about the accident, but they could do nothing about it. I asked them if they can do anything, they said, "No" . . . I got a friend of my husband's, one Mr. (xxx) . . . and he got a wrecker for me. They came up and turned over my husband's car. Nothing was there except one of my husband's sandals . . . He had some River Antoine rum, but only one bottle was found in the car, and a piece of someone's red shirt was stuck in the car.

All the people there said my husband was killed and the body is in a freezer in Pope Paul's Camp. I asked when I was in St. George's if they could sent a detective to Pope Paul's Camp to look for the body. I was told no, they could not do that. We had people there from all over the island coming because my husband was a popular man. Some came by bus, cars, and nobody was allowed to go to Pope Paul's Camp.

On the Saturday I was told that one of the P.R.A. from St. George's camp in Morne Rouge - I think it was Camp Boney, a P.R.A. one (xxx) told me that they saw a body floating in the sea between Grand Roy and Gouyave. We rang my cousin (xxx) who helped arrange with the fishermen from Grand Roy and Gouyave to go out to fish for the body, and there was a man from the Carenage who said he saw the body. The fishermen told the fellow, if he saw the body why didn't he hook it and bring it in, so they did not believe him.

In the meantime, it was said that the body was buried somewhere in the Pope Paul's Camp. The people kept a vigil outside there for about two weeks, but nobody could have entered inside. We had two priests - Catholic and Anglican, that came. They led a procession from Gouyave to Pope Paul's Camp. An inquiry was taking place after several persons had given evidence.

Q:  Commissioner:  When did the inquest start?
A: Witness: I cannot remember the date that it started.

Q:  Commissioner:  What happened to the Magistrate?
A: Witness: He was on the case. He was a Magistrate at Gouyave. He was taken out as Magistrate from Gouyave.

Q:  Commissioner:  Where exactly was the car found?
A: Witness: It was found on a ledge just before Bain's property in White Gate.

Q:  Commissioner:  Who was in charge of Pope Paul's Camp when that happened?
A: Witness: (xxx) was in charge of Pope Paul's Camp at the time, but I understand that she was not there at the time. The P.R.A. was also there at that time.

Q:  Commissioner:  What was happening at Pope Paul's Camp at the time?
A: Witness: The P.R.A. had residence there as well as (xxx) and her staff.

Q:  Commissioner:  When was Mr. (xxx) taken off the inquest?
A: Witness: I cannot remember the date, but it was sometime in 1981.

Q:  Commissioner:  You were represented at the inquest by whom?
A: Witness: (xxx), he is a barrister

Q:  Commissioner:  What was your husband's profession?
A: Witness: We had owned the BBC Night Club. We had come from England, and he was in the British Force. I heard people say that they thought he was sent by the CIA or by England to spy.

Q:  Commissioner:  Why was Mr. (xxx) taken off the case?
A: Witness: I heard rumours that he was taken off the case because the Government did not want the case to go on, and nobody was put in his place.

Q:  Commissioner:  How long did the inquest go on?
A: Witness: It started in 1981 and it continued, then we wrote to the Chief Justice.

Q:  Commissioner:  Who was the Chief Justice at the time?
A: Witness: I think it was Mr. (xxx).

Q:  Commissioner:  Any notes of evidence on the inquest as far as it proceeded?
A: Witness: I should have gone to my solicitor for it. After that Mr. (xxx) took over.

Q:  Commissioner:  So Mr. (xxx) took over, what happened?
A: Witness: Mr. (xxx) said he was going to try that case. We followed it up. There was a Commissioner from Trinidad that was here, and none of the pPolice stations were giving help. Some Jamaicans came and did not get help, and they said they are not getting the help of the local police, so there is nothing they could do.

[Witness continued]

It was said that a body was found in Pope Paul's Camp, and we went up there. We were told that, so we went to see, but when we got there, they said to us that there was no body found there. We asked the people who were training there, and they said no, they did not know that. They said they heard that something dead was there. One boy called to us and said he cannot tell his name, and after that we heard nothing about him. We went there and we could not get any information. They were digging a hole and then they stopped and started digging another hole, and that they told us was it was a donkey that was dug up, and they could not show us.

Q:  Commissioner:  Did Mr. (xxx) himself give evidence at the inquest?
A: Witness: Yes.

Q:  Commissioner:  Nobody else who gave evidence say they saw what (xxx) did?
A: Witness: No, but it was presumed by the people. However, (xxx) from Grand Roy testified that when he (xxx) struck my husband, he fell, and she became dizzy and did not know what happened afterwards.

Q:  Commissioner:  Where is she?
A: Witness: (xxx) is in Canada

Q:  Commissioner:  So she was an eye witness?
A: Witness: Yes.

[Witness continued]

(xxx), I did not know him. One day he offered me a lift and said his name was (xxx), and heard about my husband's death, through his brother, and he said they killed him and there are a lot of people who know of his death at Pope Paul's Camp. He said that when he heard about that . . . he could not eat for days. When we were in the court, I realized he was the same (xxx).

Q:  Commissioner:  What did he say at the inquest?
A: Witness: He said there was a fridge in Pope Paul's Camp and the fridge was not working and they call for one (xxx) to fix it.

Q:  Commissioner:  In actual fact, your husband was kidnapped, taken from his car and brought into the Camp?
A: Witness: Yes, and one chap that had to give evidence, (xxx) or (xxx) from St. Lucia was working in the radio station; I believe he was sent away soon afterwards, because he knew what happened. A young fellow from Gouyave said he was coming up from St. George's with (xxx). He said that when they reached by Palmiste, they saw my husband's car was in front and (xxx's) car behind.

Q:  Commissioner:  Was he around the scene or something?
A: Witness: I heard he was around the scene. The young fellow said he was around the scene. The young fellow usually sold marijuana for people, and they usually lock him up in the station, but this time they didn't do him anything, and he was told not to say anything. His name is (xxx). They did not take any statement from him.

Q:  Commissioner:  Where is he now?
A: Witness: Maybe he is still in Gouyave, I don't know.

According to the witness, she once confronted a certain Mr. (xxx), who was one of the tutors at the camp and said

. . . Mr. (xxx), if you're a man of God . . . and if they found a body, you should have gone to the police.

He said,

The fridge was so stink that we could not stand the stench of it.

And whatever he had put in the fridge to clean it, was the same scent that was there, it would not go away, so he told them to take it away, and he told me if I want to know anything, go in the police station.

Q:  Commissioner:  This was a religious seminary or something?
A: Witness: It was a vocational camp for young men and women, and the Anglicans, Methodist and Catholics were responsible for it.

Q:  Commissioner:  How did the P.R.A. take it over?
A: Witness: They took over whatever they wanted. Nobody could have stood in their way. If they wanted to have a P.R.A. camp, they just took it.

Q:  Commissioner:  Why do you think they did that to your husband?
A: Witness: I do not know. Maybe we came down at the wrong time. I have heard people say that they though he was sent by the CIA, and some said that (xxx) and my husband were with (xxx) and maybe they had some scramble over her, I don't know.

Q:  Commissioner:  Why the P.R.A. camp?
A: Witness: My husband came from Gouyave and he had to pass the P.R.A. camp. They said (xxx) saw him up in Gouyave and followed him.

Q:  Commissioner:  What I find strange, is that when all those people came and were outside Pope Paul's Camp, if they had nothing to hide, why didn't they let the people in?
A: Witness: They were not letting them in, and the detectives would not go in. Mr. (xxx) was one of the detective from Concord, and he said he could not go there.

Q:  Commissioner:  Did he say why he could not go in?
A: Witness: He just said he could not go there. Everybody was telling him to pen up the camp and search the fridge, but he said he could not do that. There was a guy called (xxx) who lived on the side of us. He was a mechanic and had my husband's fridge fixing for him . . . I did not hear the phone ring because of the noise, but I saw his wife came out, and he went in. He took his box of tools and went in his truck and he drove down the road. One woman who was living on the bridge . . . called out to him, "(xxx), where you going with all this speed so?" and he drove off, so hence the reason why the boy said the fridge was not working at the time, but after it was repaired, because they got (xxx) to come and fix it for them that night.

Q:  Commissioner:  Do you know if the bones they dug up were reburied in the same spot?
A: Witness: What they said is that the bones were in Gouyave police station. The officer there said that they got some bones which were donkey bones. We asked him to show us the bones, and he said no. Everyday we went there, he said that the Sergeant is not there. The Sergeant's name, I think, was (xxx).

Q:  Commissioner:  Do you know what happened to the donkey bones after that?
A: Witness: No.

Q:  Commissioner:  Do you have a lawyer acting on your behalf?
A: Witness: No. My lawyer is too old to act. He suffers from diabetes and he is unable.

Q:  Commissioner:  Do you know Mr. (xxx) personally?
A: Witness: No. After we got a letter from the Church, we went to ask him if he could continue on the case for us, and he said he was not going to try that case.

Q:  Commissioner:  Up to when did your lawyer represent you?
A: Witness: Up to 1989.

Next: Part Six, Section One, Witness Eight      Back: Part Six, Section One, Witness Six

     Contents: TRC Report      Home Page: FAQs      Site Map




CONTACT